Are Trump and His Supporters in Fact Fascists?

A few years back, a friend, someone whom I respect, challenged me on Facebook, saying that Trump might be a lot of things, but he wasn’t an actual Fascist. Well, I beg to differ. If it steps like a goose, . . .

Here are a few of the clear signs that, yes, Fascist is precisely the term to describe Trump, his supporters, and those who wish to assume the orange mantle:

Alliance with other Fascists/Authoritarians. D.T. allied himself with violent, extremist authoritarian nationalists around the globe—with, of course, his handler, Vladimir Putin, but also with Rodrigo Duterte, Narendra Modi, Jair Bolsonaro, Recep Erdoğan, Viktor Orbán and even, shockingly and weirdly, with Kim Jong-un. Hitler allied himself with extremist authoritarian nationalists around the globe—Mussolini of Italy, Hirohito of Japan, Tsar Boris III of Bulgaria, Horthy of Hungary, Antonescu of Romania, Tiso of Slovakia, and Pavelić‘of Croatia (see the Tripartite Pact signed in September of 1940 and joined later by other members of the Axis Powers).

Use of Violent Citizens’ Militias. D.T. supported and employed on numerous occasions armed, right-wing citizens’ militias, notably

a) at the March on Charlottesville by neo-Nazis who chanted “Jews will not replace us” and murdered an antifascist protestor;
b) when a group of these self-appointed militiamen invaded the Michigan Capitol and Legislature, armed, and plotted to kidnap and murder Michigan’s governor; AND
c) when several groups of these, including the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, broke into and ransacked the U.S. Capital, beat police officers, caused injuries that led to deaths, called for hanging the Vice President, and tried to overthrow the incoming government of the United States by preventing its certification.

Trump approved of all these actions by Citizens’ Militias, saying in the first instance that there were “Good people on both sides”—the Nazis and those opposing them–and in the latter instances that these were “patriots.” And, of course, he planned and stoked the last–the January 6th insurrection. In addition, he called on his Attorney General, Secretary of Defense, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs to violate the Posse Comitatus Act and send federal troops to attack BLM protestors, which Barr sort of went along with his little green men (Esper and Milley, to their eternal credit, declined). Hitler, of course, infamously used citizens’ militias, the Sturmabteilung (the SA, or brownshirts), to provide protection at rallies, to attack enemies, and, with the SS, to carry out the infamous attacks on Jews during Kristallnacht. When asked to denounce white supremacy in a debate, Trump responded by saying, “Proud Boys—stand back and stand by.”

Monumentalism. D.T. loved monuments and monumental architecture and got a lot of political mileage out of riling up supporters of continuing to have on display in the public sphere commemorative statues of genocidal maniacs and enemies of the United States (Columbus; slave-owning men who led forces of insurrection during the Civil War). He organized a Republican Convention that was replete with monumental architecture and iconography. To do this, he violated the law by using the White House and its grounds as a political campaign/convention set. He called for absurdly expensive military parades of the kinds one sees in Communist China, North Korea. and Putin’s Russia. Trump called for building a massive “patriotic” sculpture garden. He held monumentalist nationalist events like the 4th of July military airshow at Mount Rushmore. Hitler, of course, employed Albert Speer to build monumentalist fascist architecture and devoted a great deal of his time to this.

The Cult of Personality. D.T. constantly referred to himself as “the best” or “the greatest” this or that and plastered his name on everything, from massive amounts of merch (Trump steaks, Trump straws, Trump flags) to buildings to letters accompanying Covid relief checks. He turned every discussion of every issue into one about himself and how great he is, even events that were supposed to be to honor Gold Star families or present information about how not to die from a virulent pandemic. Like a mob boss or any other Fascist leader, he required loyalty oaths and fired people who didn’t make them. At every cabinet meeting, cabinet members were expected to preface their remarks with long exhortations about the greatness of Trump (for an abject lesson in human self-abasement, go listen to a recording of one of these delivered by Mike Pence, to whom, of course, Trump showed no corresponding loyalty). He literally described himself as “the only” person who could solve the country’s problems. Clearly, Trump suffers from malignant narcissistic personality disorder. Conjure in your mind, if you have the stomach for it, a typical Trump rally. Trump created a cult of personality, just as all Fascist strongmen have done—Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Mao, Pinochet, the Kim Dynasty of North Korea, etc. The difference, of course, is that Trump was merely a WANNABE Fascist strongman.

The Myth of the Return to Racial and National Greatness. D.T. constantly referred to a mythical Golden Age to which he would return the country and even made this his official slogan (“Make America Great Again,” or MAGA). This was, of course, precisely what Hitler did, calling for a return to a time of Aryan and German greatness–the major theme of his propaganda and writing and speeches.

The Racial Supremacy Myth/Use of Racism to Mobilize the Masses. D.T. constantly issued racist dog-whistles, from his ad attacking the innocent members of the Central Park Five to his Obama birtherism to his calling asylum seekers “caravans” and “hordes” of “rapists and murders” to his references to “s—thole countries” to his “Good people on both sides” to his planning of rallies at sites of racist violence (near the Alamo, Tulsa, etc.) to his suggestions that China purposefully engineered and released SARS-COV-2, which Trump variously referred to, in his racist way, as the “China flu,” the “Wuhan flu,” and so on. And, of course, Trump built his whole campaign, initially, on the racist idea that America was being taken over by immigrants and that in order to “have a country,” we would need to keep out the brown-skinned hordes. In fact, this is why Jeff Sessions, Steve Bannon, and Stephen Miller chose Trump to run in 2015 to begin with. See the Frontline documentary about this, Zero Tolerance (2019). Trump called for the Border Patrol to SHOOT innocent asylum seekers and screamed at his Secretary of Homeland Security for saying that she couldn’t do that. Hitler baked anti-Semitism into the Nazi ideology. Both leaders ran concentration camps targeting members of particular ethnic groups. Both committed horrific Crimes against Humanity (Hitler’s genocides; Trump’s kidnapping of immigrant children and separation of these from their parents).

Scapegoating and Call for the Elimination of Enemies Within. D.T. constantly referred and continues to refer to “enemies within” that have to be eliminated “or you’re not going to have a country anymore.” These he refers to as Socialists, the “Radical Left,” “Antifa,’ and so on. One of Trump’s favorite and most often used slurs is Enemy of the People, a phrase that goes all the way back to Roman times and was famously the title of a great play by Ibsen. Calling for the elimination of enemies within is, of course, exactly what Hitler did, blaming Germany’s troubles, such as its loss of World War I and its hyperinflation on “enemies within”—Jews and Socialists and Communists—who had “stabbed the country in the back.” But it was, of course, the extreme left-wing Fascist leaders in Russia and East Germany, during the Stalin Era, who made Enemy of the People a standard catchphrase in the 20th Century, but Trump is too ignorant to know this, to know that every time he calls Biden or Fauci or whomever an “Enemy of the People,” he is sounding just like the murderous Joseph Stalin. (And yes, you can have Fascists who come to it from the left.) And even if Trump did know this, it probably wouldn’t bother him in the least bit. Trump has expressly said that he was unhappy with “his” generals because they didn’t show him the deference that Hitler’s generals showed to Hitler. Of course, Trump doesn’t know, because he is profoundly ignorant, a bear of very little brain, that a number of those very generals tried to assassinate Hitler several times. LOL. Be careful what you wish for, Donnie!

The Fascist Rally. D.T.’s main method of communication with his base was the large-scale rally—precisely the sort of method used by Hitler, with Goebbels and Speer as organizers and Leni Riefenstahl to film these.

Indoctrination of the Young. Trump called for the creation of an overtly exceptionalist, nationalist curriculum. Hitler did the same (see, for example, the Nazi textbook on Aryan supremacy, Rasse und Seele) and also created his Hitler Youth, his League of German Girls, and his Lebensborn Program.

The National Supremacy Myth. Trump’s American Exceptionalism, Hitler’s Übermenschen and Deutschland über alles. Same diseased thought.

Eugenics and Genetic Determinism. D.T. constantly referred to his “good genes” and what he called his “racehorse theory” of what constituted a fine woman–one who was properly bred. Despite the fact of his almost total scientific ignorance, he was and is committed to a myths of Eugenics and genetic determinism–one of the central myths, of course, of Nazi ideology. And this myth, of course, supports the racial and national superiority myths.

The Erasure of the Concept of a Nation of Laws and Totalitarian Insistence That His Will Is the Law. Trump insisted, “I have an Article 2 that says I can do anything I like as President.” He seems to think that he could just magically wave his hand and declassify documents and that, at any rate, rules about preservation and secrecy didn’t apply to him because NO RULES apply to him. Trump treated agencies and departments of the government as HIS, insisting, for example, that “His” generals and “His” DOJ and “His” everything else be absolutely subservient, and he fired or attempted to fire anyone who disagreed with him about anything. Barr went along with basically turning the DOJ into Trump’s private law firm. Hitler, of course, had the Enabling Act, making his will and the law identical. This the Fascists like Trump and Hitler share with Absolute Monarchists, the idea that L’étatc’est moi. Belief in the absolute authority of the Glorious Leader (Trump thought his image should be carved onto Mount Rushmore) is what puts the “total” in Totalitarianism.

The Portrayal of Himself as the Ultra-Masculine Leader, the Archetype of the Masculine, the Strongman. Trump loves to talk about how tough he is and constantly made threats via Tweet, yelled at staff, tore up briefs, and actually threw things when he got mad. And he constantly degraded women, speaking of grabbing them by the genitals, bragging about being able to get away with sexual assault, yelling at his female Secretary of Homeland Security and calling her “Honey,” making disgusting remarks about female celebrities and reporters. He actually ran a freaking old school beauty pageant. He bragged about walking in on the women while they were dressing because as owner, he could get away with it. He was a big pal of Jeffrey Epstein’s. Of course, Trump didn’t have the physique to portray himself as a male sex symbol, so he tweeted out pictures of his face Photoshopped onto the body of fictional boxer Rocky Balboa and actually sold this image on his website. Over twenty-five women have accused him of sexual assault. He paid off a porn star and a Playboy bunny to keep quiet about affairs with him. And in these respects, Trump was in the mold of other Fascist leaders who promulgated hyper-masculinized images of themselves (along with a big dose of hyper-sexism)–think Mussolini and Pinochet and Berlusconi and of Hitler’s military garb and Putin’s shirtless, horseback photoshoots.

One could go on and on. In Trump one had and has ALMOST the complete Fascist package. The one element that was missing was the competence to pull it off. Trump is far too ignorant and stupid to have effected a Fascist revolution in America. The next guy will have all Trump’s Fascist tendencies but be smarter and more knowledgeable.

P.S.: It is extraordinarily important to call Fascism out when it rears its monstrous head, to call it what it is. Why? Because silence is complicity. It’s letting it happen again. It’s making the same mistake that Germans made back in 1932-33, expecting that it’s not going to be all that bad. That experience is behind us all now. We are supposed to know better. It CAN get that bad, that quickly. Been there, done that. In the middle of the last century, we fought a war to end this shit. Here we are seeing it again, right here, on our soil. Who would have imagined that we would have slid so far backward? These must be more than just words: Never again.

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63 Responses to Are Trump and His Supporters in Fact Fascists?

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  2. jilldennison says:

    Excellent analysis and summation, Bob! In fact, the best I’ve seen anywhere! Thank you for your clear-minded insight … this nation is on a path that, unless diverted, can only lead to the destruction of whatever remains of democratic principles.

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    • manicmikey says:

      “Orange Man Bad!”
      — said any liberal progressive democrat

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    • manicmikey says:

      Sam Harris says Trump is worse than Osama bin Laden…another case of incurable TDS.
      Some day, a shrink is gonna write a book that looks into this phenomenon, where one goofball like Trump could have such a visceral emotional impact on so many people.

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        TDS. That’s so powerful an argument, Mikey. It makes everything dangerous about Trumpism and its current grip on the Repugnican Party just PALE by comparison. Anyone who thinks this a clear and present danger is delusional.

        Sorry, Mike. That doesn’t even make the cut for a rational entry into any discourse. OBVIOUSLY, Trump is a huge issue in American (and so world) politics, right now. The smarter Repugnicans are trying to get him out of the picture because they know that if he runs again, they lose. The Dems want to make an example of him so that the egregious bullshit he pulled never happens again and rightly think, for all the reasons that I gave above, that he is providing a model for a de facto coup if the Pugs win both houses in November and the Presidency in 2024. And so, OF COURSE, Dems like me and Jill are making Trump an issue right now because, duh, Trump is an issue right now. THE ISSUE, in fact. Because what happens re: IQ45 determines whether this experiment in democracy survives.

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        If that’s not obvious, I can’t help you, Mikey. You have problems with cognitive function that require services I cannot provide.

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  3. Jon Awbrey says:

    Heather Cox Richardson’s August 29 post is pertinent on DJT and his gang’s fascism.

    https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/august-29-2022

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    • Bob Shepherd says:

      A great piece by Dr. Richardson, Jon! Thanks for sharing it!

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      • manicmikey says:

        Well Dr. Richardson may not be any brighter than Dr. Jill Biden, but she’s definitely more influential…she suggested that Joe Biden declare war on Republicans back in 2021…Richardson suggested “…that a focus on going after Republican ‘authoritarians threatening our democracy'”would help Biden and that Biden needed “an enemy” to absorb Americans’ anger.

        From an 11/23/21 article “Biden Needs an Enemy” in The Atlantic: That’s what the Democratic strategist James Carville thinks. “As of now the White House does not have good story tellers. Good stories need villains,”

        Trump was the perfect villain…dems/libs will find it tough to replace him with something as amorphous as “semi-fascist maga guys”.

        I’m REALLY looking forward to November.

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        Get with the program, Manic. DeSantis has already been anointed Trump’s Afterbirth–Glorious Leader the Short.

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    • manicmikey says:

      Ummm…Donald Trump has been out of office for over a year and a half now.
      Ask Fauci if he’s got a safe & effective vaccine for your TDS.

      All hail the chief! (Joe “meandering mumbler” Biden)

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  4. Bob Shepherd says:

    Yes, yes, I understand that Trump is profoundly ignorant and profoundly stupid. Of course he is. This the guy who thought that Denmark would be interested in selling Greenland to us, that Frederick Douglass was still alive, that the Continental Army captured the British airports, that stealth airplanes were actually invisible, and that doctors should look into having people inject disinfectants. Given his breathtaking ignorance and stupidity, one might be tempted to conclude that it would be impossible for him to hack together a coherent ideology, and it is certaintly the case that Trump’s only sustained commitments are to suckering people out of money and to Trump generally. However, even though he is too stupid and ignorant to have any ideological commitment based on a process of reasoning to that set of conclusions, and even though he cares about absolutely nothing but himself, just as a duck doesn’t have to be able to choose being a duck in order to be one, Trump is nonetheless a default Fascist, for he has all the essential and many of the contingent characteristics of Fascists everywhere,

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  5. jilldennison says:

    Reblogged this on Filosofa's Word and commented:
    There has been much discussion lately, especially in the past few days since President Biden referred to the maga-cult as promoting ‘semi-fascism’, about whether the Republicans, particularly those supporting the former guy, are making a turn toward fascism. I think that most people in the U.S. today do not truly understand what fascism is. Bob Shepherd’s post from yesterday does an excellent job of laying out the signs and indicators that yes, fascist is precisely the term to describe the cliff the maga-cult is attempting to take the nation over. Thank you, Bob, for this insightful post!

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  6. Orca Flotta says:

    Trumpists might be fascists indeed.

    But neither Putin nor Orbán are extremist authoritarians. Patriots, yes. Else they wouldn’t be doing their jobs right.

    Not too cozy with Orbán but afaik he’s just painted in a bad light by his European counterparts since he dared complaining about the millions of refugees flooding his not too well off country.

    And Putin, well, he’s a favourite of his people, but he’s not untouchable. Like every other president he was voted into his position … and can be voted out as well. And he’s well aware of that. Putin has already a reputation as being too friendly and soft to the west. It’s the Russian population who’s very disappointed and rightfully pissed of with US/EU.

    Yes, they were hesitant in the beginning of the special military intervention in the Ukraine since everybody has some family and/or friends on the other side of the border. But the clearer the danger and peril for Donbass became they saw the necessity of the operation. And Putin’s numbers in the polls are rising ever since.

    The communists are stable around 20% since like forever, independents like the western installed figures like Navalny and other sideshows are actually non-existent in the Russian mind, while Putin’s popularity grew from high 60s up to middle 70s percentage. And rightfully so I might add.

    Putin’s party btw isn’t even close to being the most nationalistic in Russia. Putin is a patriot, as he should be as president, not a nationalist.

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  7. Orca Flotta says:

    “Special military operation. Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Oh my Lord. That’s a good one. Tell us another.. ”

    See! I always knew not listening and not comprehending would one day be your downfall. It’s not me telling you that, it was the Putin administration who told you. Since 2009 ffs! They didn’t make it a secret but openly announced what’s gonna happen if NATO won’t stop the aggressive expansion and the Ukro military don’t stop shelling the Donbass. You’ve been warned, loud and clear!

    And according to the Russians it’s still just that, a special military operation. Russia’s not at war, they just intervened and are assisting the Donbass militias in their fight for survival.

    Although I have to admit, they are amassing troops at the border, ready to go in with more than just the small task force they have now. It’s all a consequence of the West not allowing their handpuppet Zelensky to surrender. Complain at the White house if you must. It was Nuland who brought this upon the Ukraine and us all.

    And please don’t bother me with your primitive one-eyed view on global politics, this is underneath your potential and for me just a waste of time. You ‘mericans behave like a bunch of autistic children, unable to converse in a reasonable manner. And your politics cost 1000s of Ukrainian lives each and every day.

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  8. Orca Flotta says:

    Bob Shepard scribbled:
    “So, Orca, who do you think is going to assume the throne of Tsar Vlad after he croaks?”

    First and foremost is Vladimir not shortened to Vlad but Wowa or Volodja. Vlad is a name all by itself. Jeez, you people are super slow on the uptake, aren’t you?

    And I’ve got really no idea who’ll be Putin’s successor. As for now I guess he mustn’t worry about that since he’s so high in the polls. I can imagine that his party is grooming some Kreml insider of which we in the West have never heard about to take over. Who knows, I mean Putin doesn’t get younger neither and before he becomes a bad caricature of Joe Biden he’ll take his hat and won’t be a candidate for the next elections. So he won’t croak while he’s still in a position.

    “Another of his siloviki? Inquiring minds want to know. Or are you not allowed to speculate about that?”
    May I ask you to please leave your bullshit out of this? You’re just making a spectacle of yourself you pathetic little zealot. Are you a natural asswipe or are you acting on behalf of the WH/CIA?

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    • Bob Shepherd says:

      Not going to get into this with you, “Orca.” You are a party-line ideologue, so this would be an utter waste of my time.

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      • Orca Flotta says:

        Newsflash for your hasty assumption: I’m not a member of any party. If I was they would’ve kicked me out long ago, no matter what party. But an ideologue I am indeed. And I feel nothing but disdain for anybody who isn’t. We all must stand for something.

        My personal ideology would sit somewhere on the fine line in between social democrat and democratic socialist. And there’s no party for that in existence.

        So I can’t be a party-liner. In my heart I’m a humanist and right now I feel a bit closer and better represented by the China/Russia axle than by any of the corrupt western wannabe “democratic” regimes.

        Why are you putting Orca in “? That’s my official Blog and Second Life moniker, if you like it or not. In RL I’m a historian in my fifties with home bases in Germany and South Africa, and in SL I’m the eternal 21 y/o punk and technocommie. =^.^= Not a threat to anybody and known for barking rather than biting.

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      • jilldennison says:

        Wise decision, Bob. I bet by now you are wishing I hadn’t reblogged your post, eh? My apologies … I have a few readers that like to antagonize. Sigh.

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        No, no. I am so pleased that you reblogged it! I really would like to see this stuff widely read. That’s why I bother to create it. So, thank you! You honor me. I love your work, btw. Really enjoy reading it!

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      • jilldennison says:

        Thank you so much, Bob!!! I feel better now. I do apologize, though, for the lengthy and often disrespectful comments by a few of my readers. You do good work and I enjoy your views, too!

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      • Orca Flotta says:

        “antagonize”
        I had to look it up and can only shake my head in disbelief. Staying true to oneself and defending the truth is antagonizing these days? Fortunately only in certain brainwashed western circles.

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        The Truth According to Tsar Vladimir, author of the imperalist screed, “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians and Anyone Else Whom We Decide to Make an Unwilling Part of the Greater Russian Asian Imperialist Empire.”

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      • Orca Flotta says:

        I gave you a Like for your creativity in fiction writing.
        But your article just oozes evil and falsehood, I had to stop reading before I’d start to build a bomb. 😦

        And same as with Jill, I’d like to ask you for evidence to back up your unbelievably illogical claims, eventho I know neither one of you two agitators will ever come up with any.

        One word about Assad if I may: He’s the elected president of Syria, if we like it or not. Nobody’s business. No reason to sic a freshly made-up ISIS terror group on him and his country. I know Trump wanted the Syrian oil but the times of vikings and other raiding barbarians are mostly over, no matter how eloquently you argue in favour of the Americans.

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        Jill, there is a scary aspect of all this. Putin’s people murder those who disagree with them. They have done this again and again throughout the world. And one never knows who is or isn’t an asset or agent of his intelligence services.

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        Me, evil. OMG. Now that’s hilarious.

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      • Orca Flotta says:

        After what you wrote, no, not hilarious the least little bit. Just some sentences earlier you claimed that “Putin’s people murder those who disagree with them.”

        No rhyme, no reason, no evidence, nothing but pure evil. Shall I start to give you evidence for how many innocent people have been murdered by various US presidents and their agencies and military? We could start with the genocide of North American Indians, then black slaves, then go to Central and South America, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba … the list goes on.

        For example right now you stopped your handpuppet Zelensky from peace negotiations but sic him on sacrificing thousands of Ukro soldiers each and every fuxn day in a senseless and useless “counter”-offensive. If this goes on for some more days, we’ll maybe witness a military coup d’etat in Kiev, a dead Zelensky and finally a reasonable regime in that fucked up shithole.

        It’s not clever to throw stones when sitting in a glasshouse, Bob.

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        “Orca,” oh she of the unknown actual name, I am quite aware of the long, sordid history of U.S. evil, from the genocide against the native populations here to slavery to the First Iraq War, which was a tour de force of war crime. I’ve written books about some of these topics. So don’t lecture me and make unwarranted assumptions.

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        And did you just threaten me, above? Not OK, “Orca.”

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        “Orca,” you say that you are a Social Democrat. You do know what a Social Democrat is, right? I am a Social Democrat:

        A Middle Way: Socialism, Capitalism, and Social Democracy 

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      • manicmikey says:

        Russian oil executive and Putin critic Ravil Maganov dead after mysterious six-story fall…NY Post 9/1/22
        US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Thursday condemned the latest onslaught of violence sponsored by the regime in Syria and said President Bashar al Assad had to go…NY Post 6/7/12

        Assad’s still in power…Hillary isn’t.
        As an aside, how many Clinton associates have died mysteriously or committed suicide? 15? More?

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      • manicmikey says:

        Trump is one and done, except for a lot of pointless noise and hand-wringing.
        DeSantis is on deck.
        This is gonna be FUN.

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        Yes. Absolutely. The smarter Repugnicans are standing back and letting this happen. They are clearing the way for DeSantis, who will most likely be president come 2015.

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  9. manicmikey says:

    Hey Bob, something to keep in mind —
    Orcas have been known to kill blue whales.

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    • Bob Shepherd says:

      Yes, I am quite aware of that. An old diver and sailor, here.

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      • manicmikey says:

        Sweden just had an election…this is from the DailyMail 9/16/22:

        Sweden’s liberal dream was pioneered by the nation’s Social Democratic movement, whose parties have topped national polls ever since the end of World War I.

        But this latest election has seen a convulsive change. Swedish voters supported an alliance of four Right-wing parties — including one, named the Sweden Democrats, which stands accused of historical links to neo-Nazism.

        Final poll results showed on Thursday that the Right-wing bloc has now chosen the new prime minister, elbowing aside the ruling Social Democrats.

        To the shock of liberals in Sweden and across the world, the voters backed tougher immigration controls, foreign criminal deportations and stiffer punishments for the rising number of young men who have been plaguing their once-peaceful country with shootings and drug-dealing.

        ‘The violent crimes are getting worse,’ says Torsten Elofsson, a former Swedish police chief and candidate for the Christian Democrats, a party in the new Right-wing alliance. ‘These used to happen in Stockholm and other big cities such as Malmo and Gothenburg. Now they have spread to small towns everywhere.’

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    • Orca Flotta says:

      In selfdefence I guess. Or in fun or coz they were hungry. My name has nothing to do with the actual animal anyway.

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    • Orca Flotta says:

      ““Orca,” oh she of the unknown actual name”
      Wiebke Gätjen, jfyi.

      “And did you just threaten me, above? Not OK, “Orca.””
      Not that I remember. I’d never threaten anybody anyway.

      I’m more like the Russians and make clear and simple announcements: Hey West, if you try to do anything stupid with our little neighbour and brother state Ukraine, say a regime change or sumfink, sic their military onto the Russian minority, and invite them into NATO, you’ll cross a line! This big fat red line I draw right here, easily for all to see! Ok?

      And America and their European minions didn’t listen but went on regardlessly. And now they’re staring into the abyss. 😮

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        Inevitably, Russia loses this war. And at a terrible cost. Far worse than Afghanistan.

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      • Orca Flotta says:

        “Inevitably, Russia loses this war. And at a terrible cost. Far worse than Afghanistan.”
        I know you don’t get the full picture over there but Russia has won already. They’re just cleaning up and have already started rebuilding houses in Mariupol. For them it’s not even a war, not yet. It all depends on the West’s reaction.

        “But they are not a force in our politics. YET.”
        Because in the US you can’t just get into politics but you need a rich family background before you can buy your way in.
        In Europe, Africa and Asia you get into politics though many youth organisations and discussions and servitude to a party. No money needed.

        “But here, this old stuff is the avant garde.”
        Mhm, I know as far ahead as you are in some aspects, politically America is still in the 19th century. 😦

        “I think, that we will have a really nasty period of Fasicst rule”
        Same in Europe. As much as I was a lifelong fan of European unity, the modern EU is an absolutely anti-democratic organisation. Hardly any members of the European parliament were elected by their constituencies.
        Europeans factually already life under fascist regimes. We always tell our friends to get out as long as they still can but you maybe know how it is: Family, kidz, job, house, security, blaa blaah blech.

        No idea how it got to this, but 20, 30 years ago, the whole of the EU would stand behind Russia and support them in this conflict. People are so lame and rightwing conservative and corrupt nowadays. 😦

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        In time, the young Social Democrats will win here. But it’s going to be very ugly until then. The dark shadow of Fascism is looming over this country. It will be very, very ugly. But eventually, the Fascists lose. Part of it is that they die out. Part of it is that you can’t keep ’em down on the farm, after they’ve seen Par-ree. Young people are not going to stand for the repression that the Fascists will try to enact. They will fight back and win.

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      • Bob Shepherd says:

        Wiebke Gätjen. Wow. What a beautiful name.

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  10. Orca Flotta says:

    I used to be a social democrat since as a unionist I cared about worker’s rights but never joined the party after I was done with their youth organisations. With dwindling labour in the western world and a well-established system of human and workers rights the social democrats became lazy, fat and old. I just couldn’t identify with people who still sang the old ballads and struggle songs of the Weimar Republic but refused to go with the time.

    I was always far left of the party mainline, more a democratic socialist than a socialdemocrat, and when the SPD removed their old program and called itself a party of the center, me and most members and voters turned their back on them completely. I haven’t found a new political home yet.

    Q: How are you a social democrat in America?

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    • Bob Shepherd says:

      How am I a social democrat in America? Well, I’m pretty lonely politically, here. LOL. But I keep making the arguments, and if you poll the young people, the ones under 30, they get it. They grok Social Democracy. This is one reason why the Repugnicans want to create private Christian nationalist fundamentalist madrassas here. They want to counter the tide, which is against them. On every important issue, the young people are with Social Democrats like me. But they are not a force in our politics. YET.

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    • Bob Shepherd says:

      Totally get what you are saying about them becoming old, fat, and lazy. But here, this old stuff is the avant garde.

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    • Bob Shepherd says:

      Just as the feminist revolution has yet to happen in Japan, so the Social Democratic revolution has yet to happen in the United States. But I think that it’s inevitable given a) where our young people are and b) the changing demographics of the country. The Republicans here are simply backward. Clueless. They don’t understand, for example, the difference between sex and gender, something that every young person gets. The old Repugnicans are still breathtakingly racist, but the young people make friendships and date across racial lines with zero issues. Ditto with regard to homophobia, which the young people are appalled by. The Repugnicans are superstitious as hell–Catholics and evangelicals, and the young people think that stuff is just bonkers. So, they are not going to stand for the coming Fascist repressions. Again, you can’t keep them down on the farm, after they’ve seen Par-ee.

      Alas, it’s also close to inevitable, I think, that we will have a really nasty period of Fasicst rule before the Social Democratic revolution occurs, when the Pugs win both houses this November and the Presidency in 2024, and so control all three branches of our government. They will then do away with Posse comitatus, pass egregious voting restrictions, enact a nationalist curriculum, undo a whole lot of unenumerated rights, use state violence to squash dissent, and so on. Very rough times ahead. Horrific. May you live in interesting times goes the old curse.

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